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An Open Letter to Shapeways and i.materialise: Please fix your Stores!

Paulina Perepelkin
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  1. Info3Dprinter says:

    Do they really need to fix things? I can’t agree.

    This is why: these shops have a great variation of inspirational content and most shoppers like to watch the original designs on both sites. Getting lost in awesomeness is part of the success of these sites! 🙂

    How many shoppers on Shapeways search for one specific earring?
    Only if you know the model this would be the case. Shapeways has a wishlist option for the regular shopper to save your favorite items.

    It’s not that bad to spend some extra minutes looking at cool stuff to find the coolest…;)

  2. Mitchell Jetten says:

    Hi Paulina,

    “Curate your stuff, trim the weeds”

    Would this be something you would like to see more in the future:
    https://www.shapeways.com/gift-guide

    Although we created this for the holiday season in 2012, I’m sure we can do these kind of things more often.

    In addtion, we are actively working on improving the whole shopper experience 🙂

    Cheers,
    Mitchell from the Customer Service team

  3. Pavel Prozor says:

    I feel the same disappointment looking at the crap all those sites contain. Good article,
    though a bit too emotional.

    But from the business point of view this is quite understandable. Shapeways, Materialize, Sculpteo and alike remind me the early stages of “print on demand” 2D business. Imagekind, fineartofamerica, redbubble, etc – they all faced the same problem: too many artists, hard to promote for artists, only few buyers. Their solution was simple: let’s increase the offerings and let’s artists work themselves to promote their work. A marketplace works on a percentage basis, so the larger the base, the bigger is a percentage.

    The other approach is a curated gallery, like saatchionline (there are a dozen of
    others). But still there are thousands of works which is hard to filter. It is just a refined version of a public marketplace.

    The same concerns Etsy in a physical world or Turbosquid in a virtual 3D world, or
    alike.

    All these marketplaces are created to fetch money to the marketplace, not to the artist.
    If an artist wants to make money, he or she needs to create a portfolio and promote it. Look at Rodin: he was not just a great sculptor, he was a perfect salesman.

    1. Louis Gilibert Mary says:

      I obviously agree with you and Paulina’s article and that is definitely the vision we share at PrintaBit.

      Consumer 3D printing is a small and relatively young market but as it reaches maturity and grows companies in this sector needs to understand the differences in needs and expectations from customers and redefine their value oppositions. “One size does not fit all.” That’s segmentation 101.

      Based on this observation, in addition to our manufacturing service, we are developing our own Boutique for promising and talented designers. We will work hand-in-hand with them on the production of limited series of their artistic work for exclusive sales. Let me tell you, we are really willing to disrupt the status quo.

      Talking about Rodin, I love his work and recently had the chance to visit its museum in Paris. What was really interesting (and visionary maybe) about his work process was that instead of doing it all by himself, Rodin’s only focus was on the handling of clay, the “design” of his sculptures.
      After he completed his work in clay at small scale, he employed higly-skilled people to re-sculpt his compositions at larger sizes and cast the clay compositions into plaster or bronze or to carve his marbles. That was a real partnership with trusted professionals.

      Doesn’t that design-to-production workflow remind you anything?

      As sometimes digital artists may be attacked by some people for not manufacturing their own works, I like to take Rodin’s story as an example.

      Congratulations for this great article Paulina, we enjoyed it!

      1. Pavel Prozor says:

        Excuse me,but I didn’t get your point other than promoting your service tangentially connected to this theme.

        I think Paulina’s point is straightforward: she says it’s hard for a talented designer to get promoted at huge marketplaces like Shapeways or Materialize.

        My point isalso straightforward: this marketplaces business is not to promote single artists, but to broaden a customer base, so an artist needs topromote him/herself not relying on attractive, though not effectivemarketplaces.

        I’ve been to Musee Rodin maybe 20 or 30 times, so what? All master sculptors delegate a dirty job to pupils. My point was that Rodin spent a lot of his time selling his works, this is a point I argue with Paulina who thinks an artist is just a creator. Unfortunately an artist needs to be a salesman as well. And a trendy marketplace is just is one of the tools, This is my point.

        1. Louis Gilibert Mary says:

          First of all, I am really sorry and I apologize for over-promoting my service. That wasn’t the purpose at all and I didn’t even think about including a link.

          I believe Paulina’s point wasn’t only about the promotion of designers in huge marketplaces. It was also about the ease of access for buyers to quality designs and the focus of these marketplaces. That is the reason why I dared talk about segmentation and my vision.

          I totally got your point about Rodin as well and just wanted to add the thoughts that came to my mind when I visited his place this summer, nothing more.

          But you are right, being an artist requires many skills and sales is one of them. However, I think one can assist them in this process. Companies may also exist to help the designer and facilitate the promotion of her work, on every channels, even if this is not directly business related.

          What about artist collectives that even if they doesn’t buy from one another can help promote the entire group. There are plenty of examples of this working in other sectors. I assume here that a company may just play a role and help with this promotion process.

          Sorry for the misunderstanding.

          1. Pavel Prozor says:

            It was my fault being too aggressive. And you are very right about segmentation.

        2. Louis Gilibert Mary says:

          By the way, as you live in Paris and you seem to really be into 3D printing and the Art sector, I will be glad to meet you to talk about it.
          Let me know if you are interested.

  4. Pieter says:

    Great article!

  5. Pixil 3D says:

    Interesting article, thanks for the insights Paulina. As a shop owner, we’ve had our shop and products featured on Shapeways. Their internal promotion hasn’t really translate into sales yet. We’re actually coming from an advertising agency background, so we do market our own products. It’s good to have your work in multiple market places. We’re currently on Art Fire, Scout Mob, Layer by Layer, Shapeways, Square Marketplace and Etsy. Out of all these market places, Etsy is the only one actually generating sales for us. Etsy offers internal marketing videos and tutorials via their Etsy Labs – it’s great way to educate designers on how to promote and sell their work (even outside of Etsy). We tend to promote our Etsy shop more than the others for several reasons – Since we fabricate our own products in house (a la makerbot) we have a quicker turn around than Shapeways. Our ABS material is more durable and flexible than their “strong+flexible” material. Our Etsy price is relatively less expensive. Etsy has a lot more traffic and a larger user-base. There’s also internal keyword ads that shop owners can purchase that helps them generate sales. We’ve heard the shop managers at shapeways are ramping up their marketing. We’re hoping Shapeways can follow Etsy’s example and catch up to a be a better marketplace for designers.

    1. Paulina says:

      Thanks for that insight, I wasn’t even aware that Etsy has that extra service for their vendors. I’ll have to take a closer look at Etsy Labs.

  6. MechaMakers says:

    Great points Paulina! Will look forward to seeing how Shapeways and Materialise continue to evolve.

  7. Eugene says:

    Exactly! I couldn’t agree more with all of your points – giants like shapeways just can’t become Amazon for 3D Printing (at least in the nearest feature), so when you are not just browsing “all cool stuff” but search for something specific to buy (earrings, bracelets, etc.) it becomes clear very fast that you have to sift through hundred thousands of really poor drafts or non-relevant items to find something that is really worth it..

    With that in mind we started http://styleshapes.com – an online community and magazine dedicated exclusively to jewelry and other 3D printed fashion items. Where we hand-pick and publish items that are really worth it.

  8. Paulina says:

    Thank you all for your feedback and great perspectives. I’m happy and amazed by the support this has generated: it looks like a lot of people are on the same page in looking for better alternatives. It will be exciting to see how the market place develops!

    1. We think the curated approach will work best and that’s exactly what we are looking to do at http://www.imagineindustries.com

      Thanks for this article. We just launched last week but this is the similar to the approach I have envisioned for us. It’s very true that neither Shapeways or i.materialise have done a very good job, from the marketing front. But how could they? I mean if they have 20 near identical gold rings for sale?

      We want just one. We want the designer to be showcased and rewarded for his design and then when his time has come… A new design will replace that one and so on. We love a great design but we want to encourage designers to reiterate, get feedback and create even better designs.

      We are still working on the biz models for our products and it will be a long road to getting our system exactly how we want it. But ultimately we know we want to reward the individual designer and make our shop a place he/she knows they have a chance of making a real income through.

  9. Nightfalcon says:

    After reading the article and the comments below the bottom line seems to me:

    Not many artists are making profit via marketplaces like shapeways.
    Paulina finds the places are confusing – in a nutshell.

    So why is everybody hailing shapeways, sculpteo and imaterialise?
    Could it be that Blogs and media are mostly reporting about the “big five” in the 3D Printing wilderness…what is with the small pearls out there?

    Why not reporting more about artist which market/promote their products
    themselves, supporting smaller more specialised marketplaces by
    reporting about their activities. In a nutshell, big blogs like this one
    should/could report more about smaller businesses.

    However, artist could do something too:

    They could team up with smaller, read local 3D Printing service providers
    and galeries all over the world. By doing so, they could probably create more total awareness.

    They also would get better quality 3D Prints:

    Due to mass production…Shapeways is not able to deliver fast and in an
    outstanding quality. IMO many small SLS,SLA or 3DP(multicolor-printing) providers are doing better and printing even objects beyond the requirements set by shapeways.

    My dear artist! Think about it!

    Create for the world, but produce/promote local! 🙂

  10. Nick says:

    I disagree in a way – I think that shapeways should not trim their range – their ethos is that anyone can be a designer and anyone can open a store. Tailoring this will take that away… In the same way that eBay makes anyone a market stand owner, but you wouldn’t say ‘Hey, eBay! Get rid of some of your stuff!’.

    As a designer, Shapeways is a great way to get your design into a place where it is salable, if you want to promote it then that is up to you to get the traffic to your page, whether that be with tags/key words, having your own site that links to it or some other form of web promotion.

    As a buyer, be more specific with your search, if you’re just browsing with no specific search then you’re probably not focused enough to find the thing you want anyway.

    Many of the ‘weeds’ are likely to be the next generation of designers, probably in their teens, who have designed their first thing and uploaded it. These could be the first steps into a design career. I never had a opportunity like this when I was starting out and wouldn’t want to take it away from anyone. (I’m not saying that they all are though).

  11. Debbie F Nabors says:

    An alternative to both is Kraftwurx.com. They offer 83 materials now according to their website and I especially like the real precious metals they offer as I am a jeweler.

  12. Oz says:

    Great article, just read it because this link: http://i.materialise.com/blog/entry/wanted-your-input-for-our-gallery

    Might be even an option if you let people ‘rank’ items but that only works if you have a lot of visitors.

    It happened I just sold my first ‘table lamp’ today. And I can’t really imagine someone wanted to pay € 200 euro for a little lamp. But it feels good.

    I’m no marketeer but I do let people know I created that lamp once. And that’s easy using social networks. I’m not getting rich if I sell anything in the store and it’s hard for me to tell how much the actual production costs. Lots of things are just very expensive. If you would have a store with 2000 really great (hand picked) items they would be all very expensive (since most designers want more than 5% fee). Not sure if that’s the right approach.

    But I loved your post and I wonder how the 3D printing shops will look 5 years from now. Everything improves.

    Oscar Rottink

  13. LXMaker says:

    Buy 3D printer first according to their own needs to determine the machine level,after compared to the same level of machine price, choose a suitable machine.

  14. Dimitri says:

    My solution to this would be that both Shapeways and I.materialise should provide a back-end website that would just take care of the printing, shipping and invoices and let every designer have their own website.

    If all stores have the same design (and please, don’t reply by telling me you can customize you banner and shop name …), it will be hard to compete with high profile interactive branded websites that use animation/Interaction/etc… to sell their products.

    In one of the numerous (and really good) tutorials found on shapeways, it’s said that “one should tell the story behind the object being sold”. Well, that’s a great advice. Shapeways website and sub-stores aren’t telling ANY !

    Please give us the freedom to externalise the stores and just keep shapeways as a mainframe.

    Thanks for the article, by the way 🙂

  15. ysang says:

    You are conflating shapeways site in its entirety with individual shops. Each shop owner can list as many or as few items as they want. Whether anyone buys them depend on how well designer has designed the stuff and how well they have gotten the word out about their products, leveraging social media, youtube, personal sites, existing client base, etc. Even if Shapeways has 10000000 3d files print-ready and publicly viewable it won’t stop good designer from being found by customers. You cannot blame shapeways for your friend’s earrings being lost in the crowd. shapeways desingers must clean up their own shops and make their shop pages inviting. 🙂

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