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Kev Doesn’t Do Apps, Here are His Top 5 Stories for 2014

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  1. Daniel Brown says:

    “One final thought on HP that I haven’t seen anyone mention yet is the link between faster printing and materials. If they can print (part for part) 10x faster, that directly translates to 10x more revenue for HP on material sales. Think about that for a minute.”

    No one has made that link because its not a logical conclusion. If my car could fly and get to places 10x faster, that doesnt mean im going to use 10x more petrol over a year. It just means ill save that much time, it has no direct relation to costs unless you physically travel more. But then we are no longer talking about the speed… The point being, if I can 3D print 10x faster, that doesnt mean I am going to have 10x as many things that need printing.

    1. 3dprintingsystems says:

      The point Kevin is making is that if you are a bureau with a machine that can print 10x faster then you’ll sell 10x faster and use 10x more material, if you have the work. Great article Kevin and have a great Xmas

      1. Daniel Brown says:

        I run a printing bureau and if I had a machine that could print 10x faster, I am not suddenly going to generate 10x as many customers. The only way I am going to use 10x more materials is if I get 10x more people wanting 3D printing which has exactly nothing to do with the speed of the printer.

        1. 3dprintingsystems says:

          I also run a bureau and would welcome 10x customers as that would relate to customers receiving their parts faster and me making 10x more money (but if every bureau had one of these then it would become very competitive as we would all be stuck in the HP ink trap)

          1. Daniel Brown says:

            You are missing my point entirely.

            I own 4 printers personally for my bureau and have lets say, 20 regular customers and hundreds of 1-off customers. If I bought 36 more printers, I have 10x the printing speed available, am I suddenly going to gain 180 regular customers and 2,000 one-off customers? Of course not. Good god answering my phone would be a full-time job in itself. Thats exactly what you are implying by getting 10x more customers by printing faster.

          2. Kevin Quigley says:

            Daniel you are missing the point. HP is targetting this machine at bureau and larger scale users. 10x the speed equates to faster turnaround, and the potential for more throughput. In an in house environment for product development that equates to faster design iteration and less capital expenditure on other machines.

            Any bureau I know would bite your hand off for 10x the speed, especially if it is used as a front end for vac casting.

            How many jobs do you lose through not being able to deliver fast enough through being too costly or not having the capacity? Again, from my experience as a buyer, 90% of the jobs we place are based on turnaround and price.

            Do the sums. 1 printer, 1 support contract, 1 material supply vs (potentially) 10?

          3. Daniel Brown says:

            Thats not what3dprintingsystems was talking about. They specifically mentioned “if you are a bureau with a machine” vs your example of an in-house design studio using one for their own purposes. I own a bureau and for sure I would LOVE a machine that prints 10x faster. However if I got HP’s machine delivered to me tomorrow afternoon, I am not going to magically generate 10x the customers. *That* is the entire point I am making. I dont care if the machine is 600x faster, Im not going to use 600x materials because my customer base has almost nothing to do with my printer speed.

            How many jobs do I lose through not being able to reach speed? Somewhere around 0.5%. I can think of 2 instances out of 350+ jobs where I havent been able to meet a deadline due to printer speed. I routinely 3D print for customers with under 24 hour turnaround, some get to me in the evening and I have the part in hand delivered to them first thing next morning.

          4. Kevin Quigley says:

            Daniel I get your point and I agree. For some it will just mean faster turnaround. We run a U Print, 10x faster speed would be good but it would not equate to 10x more material use…for us. Maybe 2 to 3x more use. Many times we choose not to run another print because we dont have the 10hrs it takes to print and wash. But for many others it can potentially mean replacement of multiple similar machines with one machine, and running one machine at capacity. For most bureau I deal with in the UK that is a very attractive option. Less overhead, less capital investment, but more material revenue for HP. That is my point.

  2. BillD says:

    While I agree with the overall “too much unfounded hype” message of this article, I take exception to one of the stories listed. The story of the wrench being printed in space is incredibly significant to non-enthusiasts in order for them to understand the reason the rest of us are so excited about 3D printing. This is the first story I related to my wife and mother-in-law which made the promise of 3D printing “click” for them. They were both in awe of the concept of emailing an object to the space station versus making it, shipping it, loading it on a space ship, and launching it at a huge cost. I own 3 x 3D printers. I’m always making things with them, so my wife is no stranger to the idea of printing out an object. What boggled her mind was being able to email an object to anyone with a 3D printer, even in space. That had never occurred to either of them and it opened their eyes to why normal people might want a 3D printer at home.

    1. Kevin Quigley says:

      Fair point Bill but 12 or 13 years ago Stratasys Dimensions were marketed as “3D fax machines”. My point is the media nonsense coverage and the reality of manufacturing objects for space use (something I know a little bit about professionally). This is all experimental stuff right now, in much the same way that the ISS is used for zero gravity science tests. little bits of plastic are still little bits of plastic and as such have very limited practical applications in this environment. So they can print a spanner? Lets see a mounting bracket for a solar panel and see how long that lasts outside the capsule?

      1. BillD says:

        “Fair point Bill but 12 or 13 years ago Stratasys Dimensions were marketed as “3D fax machines”. ”

        Ask yourself, “Marketed to whom?” Not everyone is an engineer or product designer. Ask your grandmother if those adverts helped her understand the potential uses of 3D printing in her daily life 12 years ago. This technology has existed for 30+ years and yet the vast majority of people on this planet never heard about it until quite recently. Step back and view the space station story through the eyes of a janitor, housewife, or gardener.

        I guess my point wasn’t clear enough. I was saying the space station story was important because it demonstrated to the misinformed masses the concept of sending useful objects to remote locations electronically. When 3D printers are as common as microwave ovens in households, you will be able to send your uncle Reg a replacement t-joint for his garden irrigation system, for example. There are billions of people who are mostly being told by the media that 3D printers are scary devices which allow criminals to print untraceable guns. Among the general public, there is still a distinct misunderstanding of what makes 3D printers so exciting for those of us using them every day. The various space programs have historically been instrumental in introducing technologies to the general public in a positive way. I think the spanner (wrench) story is a perfect example of this.

        I use fused filament 3D printers every day, so I completely agree you can’t produce parts which will endure significant structural or torsional loads.Fortunately, there are a vast number of parts on the space station which are decidedly not structural in nature. In fact, a vast number of parts are already made of plastic. I’m certain the astronauts on the Apollo mission who encountered a CO2 scrubber failure would have loved to have a 3D printer on board.

        In my opinion, the space station story was a top 5 story, rather than an example of overblown hype (for the reasons I stated above.) That is the only point upon which we disagree. Otherwise, I accept the validity of your opinion, as such. I have also enjoyed our subsequent discourse and the opportunity to clarify my reasoning. Happy Holidays!

  3. Phillius Thomas says:

    With number five, you say you don’t know what happened to the 3D printers. Well they are all over the place. I have been following those printers for a while, and they haven’t dissapeared, you can still get your printed cookies and wine glasses.

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